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Zinger314 · May 25, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17

[LUST] Has gained controll and is now ferrying.

I will ferry for tips if you message me ingame ( Syria Blackblood )

Many are also ferrying for free: be aware who is and who isn't.

See? We aren't evil.

EDIT: Alliance has orders to stop (over-ferrying.)

Just message me in-game if you need a ferry.

Elianora Faerie · May 25, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17

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Originally Posted by heaven

I know that orKs offered free ride but couldn't find anyone ferry me to the mission in American districts.

As was already said, orKs is an almost all french alliance, so there is at most 10 guys in the entire alliance who are on american districts. No wonder you didn't find them.

But we were doing rides in international districts, but difference in gaming time (GMT-PST) may explain why you didn't see us... We also have to sleep afterall!

Batou of Nine · May 25, 2006, 01:03 AM // 01:03

EDIT:: Deleted due to unmentionable circumstances. (this is Batou changing my post, not a mod)

enjoy.

=HT=Ingram · May 25, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

hehe Now THAT is what I like to see... That is the point of the competition for Capital control!!! lol

<edit> Sorry Not that Lust lost it, Just that they will get it back and someone unseated them forth time being. lol Its good to see the competition and drive in the game and that it can be friendly is what I meant... lol

Karlos · May 25, 2006, 02:18 AM // 02:18

Ok, this is a reply from one of the officers in Kaizen (a LUST Alliance member) who do not like charging people.

The official position of the Alliance is that members can choose to fery for free, for tips or for a charge. As a total vote, we turned down a proposal to enforce a fee or to restrict ferrying.

Our current position is not one that makes everyone happy, but it's good because it does not restrict anyone. The ones who want to charge are undercut by those who do not charge and they do not like that.

Humans have a nature love of "possession." Some people were ticked off to see so many people in Urgoz's Warren, I am glad however, that on our watch, the place has seen more players than at any time before.

I believe that this is a test of stewardship. Like the guy who has access to the only well in town, or the only horse in town. If he thinks on the level of self-centered gain, he might gain much financially, but he will bring the entire town back by holding back such a resource.

The more Urgoz's Warren remains this elitist place, the more Zodiac weapons will stay high, ways of conquering the place will remain secret and the overall population of the game less experienced, and more fixated on farming like drones. I'm a moderator in Guildwiki and a big time fan of sharing of information and resources.

I do not accept the logic of those who want to use owning the house to get rich (their argument is, don't let a lot of people in so Zodiac weapons are expensive and charge to make money off of them). If these players want to get rich, they are using a REALLY bad way. Do 5 spider runs a day and you'll make 100k a day. A million by the end of the week.

I do not begrudge those who want to charge a small fee or do it for tips. I actually like the idea of charging one Amber Chunk for entry because it's 1k faction from other alliances. This helps LUST maintain control over the House and sustain healthy stewardship. Still, I would not do it.

Arkantos · May 25, 2006, 02:26 AM // 02:26

My alliance currently holds HzH, and some people charge. Leader of alliance said that we can choose to let ppl in for free, or we can charge. If you dont wanna pay for a ferry, wait for someone who wont make you pay. And no, making you pay for a ferry isnt a violation of any rules.

Totalkaos · May 25, 2006, 04:54 AM // 04:54

Well i paid 50$ for the chance to play this game and i'm a casual player.I for one will not spend all my time Farming Faction or Farming Gold just too get into any elite mission.I choose to play The Deep cause it's FREE to get into.Now i have no problem with UW or Fow charging cause ANET set that price not some ELITE Faction Farming Aliance.I cant wait until ANET gets this fixed so players like me will have the chance to go to any MISSION we desire.So keep doing what your doing cause soon the silent majority will have there turn to choose which elite missions they want to do.

Sagius Truthbarron · May 25, 2006, 06:51 AM // 06:51

OMGZ! The Avatar of Grenth scammed me 1k! Why should I pay 1k when I already paid 50$ for a game when i don't have 100% content? I have to pay 1k for 100% content?!?!

Seriously, the issue is not even about a "Ferry Charge". The OP states plainly that the person was "Ferrying for tips," meaning you could give them 60 gold..

Do you have a fit when people are running the desert for tips becuase "OMG I ALREADY PAID 50$ WHY SHOULD I PAY FAKE INGAME MONEY FOR STUF?"

None of you are entitled to enter the elite mission. The point of the elite missions and town controll is for the holding factions to accept who they want into them. Its like how FoW and UW work for favor. The controlling faction/server gets the spoils.

Anet should not "fix" this. It is the only point of controlling a town at all. Let the holding alliance do what they want with it. There is no reason for them to be getting PMs about how they are "unfair" when they aren't doing anything wrong. I could just aswell say that European guilds are unfair for holding the Hall and keeping me from soloing FoW.

Anet, please fix European guilds from taking favor from America! Right?

Engel the Fallen · May 25, 2006, 06:57 AM // 06:57

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

[*]and finally Anet has said that Very soon there will be yet another way to get to the elite missions... So its a wait and see what number 3 is...[/list]

Very soon is in a couple of months. So halfway to chapter 3, they will have the crap fixed in this game. But they are working on chapters 3 and 4, so all is good. Flawed concepts and gross errors mean nothing to them. Neither does adding in what we want and they said they would add...

One thing I do encourage from the ferry people is to stay ferrying [tips accepted], and stay around for a few seconds after the ferry. They will make extra cash yet not pressure those who really do not have it to spare. A few times I would have tipped TC guys but they were like ghosts. The one guy that stuck around flat out refused cash.

Very noble, but alot of guys will toss a few hundred gold easily for a ferry, which for the power ferrying crew will add up fast. For the people asking for amber, personally I feel it is too costly to take those trips. But I get what they are doing. They ferry to get amber for cash or armor to make up for the losses they get from donating to even keep the area open.

This all said, not all Lust guys charge, and hopefully Ork will hold true and do free ferrying as well. I would advise accepting tips to justify there time ferrying, and encourage people doing it more, so it is win/win for all. The people who close the houses off completely are the ones who will soon see that it is just stupid to do this, as TC demolished the prices of the special skins [which I love you for] so no one gains anything from empty districts and no people to party with. Also now PuGs are completing the Deep, which yeild the new greens, and get the three lucky guys some nice cash. The kurzick elite mission is really yeilding nothing as so few actually can finish it.

Karlos · May 25, 2006, 07:35 AM // 07:35

I just want to say I am honored that during our short stint (2 days) we let in more people than I have ever seen in there. The place is now rocking at from 7 to midnight eastern time.

Ozric · May 25, 2006, 02:39 PM // 14:39

I appreciated [LUST] for letting me get to see Urgoz Warren for the first time. Those members that ferried me did so for nothing though they mentioned that tips are welcome. Les Pros (or at least a couple claiming to be ferries) are/were not so generous, effectively holding the Urgoz Elite for ransom at 10k Faction per ride. Some other guy bothered to message me that by this time his alliance would be controlling HzH, and that then the ferries would cost around 15-20k.

All I've got to say is, 'Long Live The Crusaders!!'.

heaven · May 25, 2006, 03:13 PM // 15:13

Yeah, TC is still the best. What they care about is their reputation, not getting rich from ferrying people to elite missions even though they have to work hard to keep the capital. Another good thing is how easy to get ferry to the Deep. You can catch a ride in no time at all due to the availability of TC members in Avalon.

By the way HzH is changing hand so fast that it is hard to get consistent ferrying to elite missions. Why do you think TC can keep Avalon for so long? where is the Black Blade? May be they don't want to get Avalon back due to the fact that it is useless to keep Zodiac stuffs exclusive now

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That's right, there is no reason for any alliance to keep elite missions to themselves now because the Deep is open for everyone. You can't get crazy prices for those Zodiac stuffs anymore

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Zexion · May 25, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by Kaguya

Cavalon's Elite is free-free at the moment, and ANet is working on a second way to enter the Elites so they are little more accessible to the 'common' nonfarmers.

Can anyone confirm this? Would be cool if they made a epic questline, and, say, a requirement of total 10.000.000 faction donated in the alliance lifetime, and then you have free access after you complete those.

_Zexion

Eviance · May 25, 2006, 05:09 PM // 17:09

I don't mind being charged around 1k, they are sitting there in town wasting their time to Ferry us, we can at least tip them.

However when I am mandatoried to pay 2.5k or a chunk of Amber, I get a bit P!$$Y. It's one thing to ask for tips or 1k but 2.5 is a LOT and a chunk of Amber isn't easy to come by. I will not pay over 1k but if a ferryman does it for tips he will recieve a nice one, because at least he was SOMEWHAT decent and fair about it.

And it was very easy for the person who requested an unreasonable amount to be known by the rest of the guild (they weren't controling yet), and thats cause MANY of his guildies were there too. It just bugged me, if they are going to set a price make it reasonable.
The [----] people I saw weren't so "generous" about it.

All of the [--] have either said free or for tips (cause they need the cash). Right now my ranger is sitting in The Deep, NOT moving from there like EVER cause I worry that the next holding guild won't be so kind.

I worry that this thread will get locked due to the sticky post about not bitching or bashing alliances. o_O Not sure if this falls under it but just the same I am keeping guild tags out of it -_-

Altho I am sure most of you can guess >_> However with that said, I think if ANY controling guild starts charging 10k gold or faction to get in - we have every right to bash and b!*ch!

demon dantes · May 25, 2006, 05:24 PM // 17:24

lol this is one of the rants that i have to disagree with. now yes it is most likelly a huge guild alliance with way more faction then what you have but. you do have to pay to get into uw and fow so why not? and if you really want in that bad what is a couple hundred gold that you can farm in 3 secs? i don t control any towns nor anyone in our lil alliance but hey if i wanted to go that bad id pay a lil no big deal. just think you could get something really nice down there and become a millionaire lol. req 8 15^50 vertabreaker im so in heaven lol.

Elianora Faerie · May 25, 2006, 05:36 PM // 17:36

Ferrying for a charge is one thing, but some guilds do much worse. I saw some charging as much as 10 plats for a ferry to the warren, then a little later they were forming groups in the warren to warp guys out...

Ozric · May 25, 2006, 06:39 PM // 18:39

A few hundred gold or a plat is one thing, after all party members drop candy canes in those missions for others just to keep everyone up to par for the end boss. But 10k gold or better? C'mon!

LAMS3K · May 25, 2006, 06:59 PM // 18:59

I don't like the idea of charging for a ferry. Nor do I like the idea of locking anyone out of difficult content. I'll be advocating a "tips appreciated" policy, considering it is the middleground between greedy and free rides. I do like what TC is doing with Cavalon's elite mission

If this post somehow puts this thread in danger of closing. I'd like a mod to delete it.

Hunter Sharparrow · May 25, 2006, 07:31 PM // 19:31

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These elite missions were created for hardcore farmers who wanted to own something more than just FoW armor and who have the time and dedication to get themselves something nice. Either way, you can always find free ferries into The Deep.

Oh please tell me you were being sarcastic. Something tells me you weren't.

There is an argument that has been mentioned that whoever is in control of the mission is in ownership of it. Yes it may be theirs but it is also yours and mine and everyone elses. We all payed for this game did we not? Just like the really hard levels on a single player game, the only thing that should keep people from being able to have access should be the individual's or in this case the alliance's skill in the game.

I can understand that anet would create such a set up to reward those that contribute the most for their faction but what it has done is created a civil war within the factions. It's like (just a visual) Canada and the US at war. Instead of all the provinces working together and all the states working together (with a *reward* given to the state/province who fights the hardest) you have all the provinces fighting amoungst themselves over a certain area of Canada (*reward*) and all the states fighting over a certain area of the US (*reward*). Unless someone can come up with something else, the only way I can see for anet to change how access is given (testing skill rather than time for farming) would be a king of the hill. If you want to gain access than you will have to fight for it literally. That means PvP which it already is right now but it would be a more direct type of PvP. It would also make for a true civil war within the factions.

The one other way would be to allow access to the faction who controls the most territory. That would mean when the luxons have pushed the line to control most of the territory than they can gain access to their elite mission with the same going for the kurzicks if they control the most territory. A change like this might make the 10% of the guild wars population that acually gain control unhappy but would make the other 90% quite happy.

10% vs 90%
Hm donno which GW population anet should most please

Elianora Faerie · May 25, 2006, 07:40 PM // 19:40

That kind of system would also make some of the controlling alliances happy. We're doing taxi so that everybody can go there, but to put it simply, doing the taxi for 2-3hr straight isn't really fun, you know... BTW, i've taken hundreds of people in the warren, but I was so busy doing the taxi that I didn't even tried the mission yet